>> I see allowing 'r' commands into your installation as a Bad Thing > The "r" commands are the most heterogeneous way of providing 8-bit > connectivity to a system. Well, for rsh and rcp, I agree. But rlogin's (ab)use of the urgent pointer, via the kernel trying to pretend it's an out-of-band channel, causes me no end of headaches. (Most recently, rlogin from SunOS 4.1.x to NetBSD doesn't propagate the window size, and presumably will get a few other things wrong as well.) I finally got sufficiently fed up that I wrote an rlogin-like remote login protocol which uses two connections, one for data and one for the sort of control information rlogin uses MSG_OOB for...and I've never had any trouble with it. I wish nobody had ever even thought of turning the urgent pointer into an out-of-band channel! It's hopelessly broken in theory and works in practice only over fast links with small amounts of data sent over the out-of-band channel, and even then only when both ends are using compatible interpretations of where the out-of-band data lies relative to the urgent pointer. der Mouse mouse@collatz.mcrcim.mcgill.edu